The Saucier Family - Page 2
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A year later, in 1651, we find Charles and his family were residing on Rue Sallancontre, in the Parish of Saint Jacques de I ‘Hospital and not in the Halles area. Records for the lease by Charles of the home on Rue Mondétour and the home on Rue Sallancontre have not been found. The apprenticeship record shows that the Paris Merchant whom Charles apprenticed his son Charles to in 1651 was located in the pillars of Halles area where they previously resided.
In another legal document dated September 17, 1650, Charles Saucier and his wife Charlotte appear before François Crespin and Pierre Parque, notaries at the Chatelet, in a legal matter involving their unpaid debts. That record reads:
Charles Saucié, merchant in Paris and Charlotte Clairet his wife authorized, were present, residing on rue Mondétour, parish of Saint-Eustache, on the one hand, and Gilles Alliame, bourgeois of Paris, Rémy Bazin, merchant, Pierre Dumoulin, merchant in Étampes (Essonne), Dubois, merchant in Paris, all creditors of the said Saucié. Charles Saucié and Charlotte Clairet owe Alliame 1086 pounds, Bazin 1450 pounds, Dumoulin 2400 pounds, Vinant 540 pounds, Dubois 850 pounds. Charles and his wife Charlotte seem to be heading for a lawsuit over their unpaid debt to the five creditors. Their debt at the time would have equaled slightly under 8,800 dollars in today's currency.
This writer would like to note that no information so far has been found by researchers to authenticate the name of the parents or other ancestors of Charles Saucier of Paris, France. There has been several writings that gave the name of Jean Beaumont Saucier as his father, but, to this date no records have been found to verify this person was his father.
Our paternal ancestor, Louis Saucier, is the only child of Charles Saucier that researchers have traced the descendants of, nothing is known about the other three children or if they had descendants. It is presumed that the siblings of Louis remained in France and did not immigrate to the French colony of Quebec in later years.
When the time came, our ancestor Charles in following the family tradition would have passed the operations of the family business to his older son Jean Baptiste. If not, his second born son Charles who had been trained as a merchant, and the next in line, could have continued operating the family business, with the blessings of their father. Charles and Charlotte Saucier's youngest son, Louis Saucier, was destined to follow yet another profession than that of his father. Louis most likely after many discussions with his family concerning his plans and his anticipated future in the Quebec colony would then have prepared for the voyage to the New World with the blessings of his father and family to start a new chapter in the Saucier family legacy. His chosen vocation was in Civil Service and he would soon become engaged in work within the government of the new colony in Quebec. Louis, after his long and tedious journey by ship from France, disembarked and stepped foot onto the North American Continent at Quebec over 355 years ago and has left us a great heritage of honor, pride, and courage.
Up to this date, our knowledge of Louis has been very limited and not a lot is known of his life. All available records and presently known information on Charles’ youngest son, Louis Saucier, indicates his engagement in civil service within the governing body of Quebec, Canada. According to Canadian researchers, Louis arrived in Quebec aboard the French ship L'Aigle d'Or from Brouage, France in August of 1665 along with a regiment of soldiers coming to the Quebec garrison, but, he was not part of the Carignan regiment, a large number of officers and soldiers of the French military who came to Quebec at the same time and on the same ship as Louis. Louis Saucier’s name according to the Canadian researchers, does not appear on the roster of soldiers of the Carignan-Salieres regiment that later became inhabitants of Quebec in 1668. Since Louis was accompanying the military regiment on the voyage to Quebec, it is unclear if, but it’s certainly possible, that he came to the French colony as a member of the military establishment. If so, what rank and position did he hold in the French military? Records are not available on this part of Louis’ early life, before or after he arrived in Quebec. Since Louis’ name did not appear on the Military roster, nor did he reside in the garrison’s quarters at fort Louis, but in a villager's home, the unanswered question still lingers of did he actually come to Quebec as a private citizen working within the governing body of Quebec or as a high ranking officer of the French military establishment at Quebec. If he came as a high ranking military officer, the housing shortage at the fort could account for Louis being allowed to live in the village away from the military garrison and fort.
After arriving in the French settlement at Quebec in 1665, in his early thirties, census records show Louis was a resident (boarder) in the home of the widower Etienne Dumay in Sillery, Quebec, Canada and he is listed in the 1666 Canadian Census as a boarder in the Dumay household. He was not a servant in the Dumay household as some writers have incorrectly stated. A wrong translation of words in a French record that was made by a researcher led to some writers making this incorrect assumption. It was common for newly arriving Frenchman to seek lodging in existing homes as there was not sufficient housing available. Shortly before he entered into the contract of marriage Louis moved from the Dumay household to the Quebec military garrison at Fort Louis until his marriage. Louis entered into the contract of marriage on Thursday November 27, 1670 with Marguerite; this was signed in the presence of notary Pierre Duquet at Sillery. On Monday January 12, 1671 in Quebec, Canada, after the banns of marriage were published three times by the church, Louis married Marguerite Gaillard dit Duplessis, a “Fille du Roi” born circa 1637; she was a native of Picardy, France and the daughter of Jean Baptiste Gaillard and Catherine DeLomelle. They were married at the Cathedral of Notre Dame of Quebec by Cure Henry de Bernieres. Rene-Louis Charles de Lotbinere, son of the lieutenant-general of Quebec witnessed their marriage, along with Louis La Haye, Huron Simon and Thomas Langlois. This was the first marriage for Louis, a thirty-six year old bachelor, and the third marriage for the thirty-two year old and twice widowed Marguerite. Louis and Marguerite made their home on the Saint-Michael coast in Saint Foy, on the land and former home of Marguerite’s second husband. Louis and Marguerite had only two children, sons, Charles and Jean Baptiste Saucier before his death in about 1677, at the age of forty-two. Both sons were born at the family home in Saint Foy. It is not known at this time where Louis is buried. Marguerite died on Wednesday April 1, 1705 at the age of sixty-eight and is buried at the Notre Dame-de-Foy Cemetery, Capitale National Region in Quebec, Canada. It is unknown if she was buried beside or near Louis at Notre Dame-de-Foy Cemetery in Quebec. Marguerite survived Louis by about twenty-nine years.
Charles was four years old and Jean Baptiste was two years old at the time of their father's death. Marguerite remarried and her two sons with Louis were raised and educated in Quebec with their LeGardeur half siblings. First born son, Charles, remained in Canada where he married three times and raised fourteen children. Jean Baptiste was more restless and adventuresome, leading him to join the French military at Quebec, which eventually lead him to sail with d'Iberville on his quest to establish a French settlement in what was to become the Louisiana Territory.
Within the past few years, there have been conversations concerning whether or not the name of Louis Charles Saucier shown in most genealogies is correct, some say it is just "Louis Saucier" based on his marriage record which has "Charles" struck through and "Louis" inserted above Charles. For this reason they concluded his name may not have been Louis "Charles" Saucier and possibly just "Louis Saucier", with the priest striking out "Charles" in order to correct his entry in the church marriage records. It is possible that this is what happened when the priest recorded his entry in the church records, but, this is something we will never know for sure. In the Quebec Genealogical Dictionary of Canadian Families, 1608—1890 he is listed as “Louis Charles Saucier, son of Charles Saucie, Paris Merchant and Master Organist in St. Eustache, and Charlotte Clairet”. Another Canadian source, the official "Genealogy of Canada" records, which contain names and data on many members of the Canadian Saucier family, lists him as just "Louis Saucier" with no middle name shown. This Canadian record does show his marriage to Marguerite Gaillard on January 12, 1671. The Genealogy of Canada records only list his birth as "about 1634" and his death date is listed in those records as November 19, 1677. It also shows their contract of marriage was drawn up on November 27, 1670 and that their marriage was performed in Quebec on January 12, 1671. According to several Canadian records his normal signature was “Louis Saucier”. He is referenced in this genealogy as Louis Saucier, as this was his usual signature and how he would normally sign any legal documents.
In another legal document dated September 17, 1650, Charles Saucier and his wife Charlotte appear before François Crespin and Pierre Parque, notaries at the Chatelet, in a legal matter involving their unpaid debts. That record reads:
Charles Saucié, merchant in Paris and Charlotte Clairet his wife authorized, were present, residing on rue Mondétour, parish of Saint-Eustache, on the one hand, and Gilles Alliame, bourgeois of Paris, Rémy Bazin, merchant, Pierre Dumoulin, merchant in Étampes (Essonne), Dubois, merchant in Paris, all creditors of the said Saucié. Charles Saucié and Charlotte Clairet owe Alliame 1086 pounds, Bazin 1450 pounds, Dumoulin 2400 pounds, Vinant 540 pounds, Dubois 850 pounds. Charles and his wife Charlotte seem to be heading for a lawsuit over their unpaid debt to the five creditors. Their debt at the time would have equaled slightly under 8,800 dollars in today's currency.
This writer would like to note that no information so far has been found by researchers to authenticate the name of the parents or other ancestors of Charles Saucier of Paris, France. There has been several writings that gave the name of Jean Beaumont Saucier as his father, but, to this date no records have been found to verify this person was his father.
Our paternal ancestor, Louis Saucier, is the only child of Charles Saucier that researchers have traced the descendants of, nothing is known about the other three children or if they had descendants. It is presumed that the siblings of Louis remained in France and did not immigrate to the French colony of Quebec in later years.
When the time came, our ancestor Charles in following the family tradition would have passed the operations of the family business to his older son Jean Baptiste. If not, his second born son Charles who had been trained as a merchant, and the next in line, could have continued operating the family business, with the blessings of their father. Charles and Charlotte Saucier's youngest son, Louis Saucier, was destined to follow yet another profession than that of his father. Louis most likely after many discussions with his family concerning his plans and his anticipated future in the Quebec colony would then have prepared for the voyage to the New World with the blessings of his father and family to start a new chapter in the Saucier family legacy. His chosen vocation was in Civil Service and he would soon become engaged in work within the government of the new colony in Quebec. Louis, after his long and tedious journey by ship from France, disembarked and stepped foot onto the North American Continent at Quebec over 355 years ago and has left us a great heritage of honor, pride, and courage.
Up to this date, our knowledge of Louis has been very limited and not a lot is known of his life. All available records and presently known information on Charles’ youngest son, Louis Saucier, indicates his engagement in civil service within the governing body of Quebec, Canada. According to Canadian researchers, Louis arrived in Quebec aboard the French ship L'Aigle d'Or from Brouage, France in August of 1665 along with a regiment of soldiers coming to the Quebec garrison, but, he was not part of the Carignan regiment, a large number of officers and soldiers of the French military who came to Quebec at the same time and on the same ship as Louis. Louis Saucier’s name according to the Canadian researchers, does not appear on the roster of soldiers of the Carignan-Salieres regiment that later became inhabitants of Quebec in 1668. Since Louis was accompanying the military regiment on the voyage to Quebec, it is unclear if, but it’s certainly possible, that he came to the French colony as a member of the military establishment. If so, what rank and position did he hold in the French military? Records are not available on this part of Louis’ early life, before or after he arrived in Quebec. Since Louis’ name did not appear on the Military roster, nor did he reside in the garrison’s quarters at fort Louis, but in a villager's home, the unanswered question still lingers of did he actually come to Quebec as a private citizen working within the governing body of Quebec or as a high ranking officer of the French military establishment at Quebec. If he came as a high ranking military officer, the housing shortage at the fort could account for Louis being allowed to live in the village away from the military garrison and fort.
After arriving in the French settlement at Quebec in 1665, in his early thirties, census records show Louis was a resident (boarder) in the home of the widower Etienne Dumay in Sillery, Quebec, Canada and he is listed in the 1666 Canadian Census as a boarder in the Dumay household. He was not a servant in the Dumay household as some writers have incorrectly stated. A wrong translation of words in a French record that was made by a researcher led to some writers making this incorrect assumption. It was common for newly arriving Frenchman to seek lodging in existing homes as there was not sufficient housing available. Shortly before he entered into the contract of marriage Louis moved from the Dumay household to the Quebec military garrison at Fort Louis until his marriage. Louis entered into the contract of marriage on Thursday November 27, 1670 with Marguerite; this was signed in the presence of notary Pierre Duquet at Sillery. On Monday January 12, 1671 in Quebec, Canada, after the banns of marriage were published three times by the church, Louis married Marguerite Gaillard dit Duplessis, a “Fille du Roi” born circa 1637; she was a native of Picardy, France and the daughter of Jean Baptiste Gaillard and Catherine DeLomelle. They were married at the Cathedral of Notre Dame of Quebec by Cure Henry de Bernieres. Rene-Louis Charles de Lotbinere, son of the lieutenant-general of Quebec witnessed their marriage, along with Louis La Haye, Huron Simon and Thomas Langlois. This was the first marriage for Louis, a thirty-six year old bachelor, and the third marriage for the thirty-two year old and twice widowed Marguerite. Louis and Marguerite made their home on the Saint-Michael coast in Saint Foy, on the land and former home of Marguerite’s second husband. Louis and Marguerite had only two children, sons, Charles and Jean Baptiste Saucier before his death in about 1677, at the age of forty-two. Both sons were born at the family home in Saint Foy. It is not known at this time where Louis is buried. Marguerite died on Wednesday April 1, 1705 at the age of sixty-eight and is buried at the Notre Dame-de-Foy Cemetery, Capitale National Region in Quebec, Canada. It is unknown if she was buried beside or near Louis at Notre Dame-de-Foy Cemetery in Quebec. Marguerite survived Louis by about twenty-nine years.
Charles was four years old and Jean Baptiste was two years old at the time of their father's death. Marguerite remarried and her two sons with Louis were raised and educated in Quebec with their LeGardeur half siblings. First born son, Charles, remained in Canada where he married three times and raised fourteen children. Jean Baptiste was more restless and adventuresome, leading him to join the French military at Quebec, which eventually lead him to sail with d'Iberville on his quest to establish a French settlement in what was to become the Louisiana Territory.
Within the past few years, there have been conversations concerning whether or not the name of Louis Charles Saucier shown in most genealogies is correct, some say it is just "Louis Saucier" based on his marriage record which has "Charles" struck through and "Louis" inserted above Charles. For this reason they concluded his name may not have been Louis "Charles" Saucier and possibly just "Louis Saucier", with the priest striking out "Charles" in order to correct his entry in the church marriage records. It is possible that this is what happened when the priest recorded his entry in the church records, but, this is something we will never know for sure. In the Quebec Genealogical Dictionary of Canadian Families, 1608—1890 he is listed as “Louis Charles Saucier, son of Charles Saucie, Paris Merchant and Master Organist in St. Eustache, and Charlotte Clairet”. Another Canadian source, the official "Genealogy of Canada" records, which contain names and data on many members of the Canadian Saucier family, lists him as just "Louis Saucier" with no middle name shown. This Canadian record does show his marriage to Marguerite Gaillard on January 12, 1671. The Genealogy of Canada records only list his birth as "about 1634" and his death date is listed in those records as November 19, 1677. It also shows their contract of marriage was drawn up on November 27, 1670 and that their marriage was performed in Quebec on January 12, 1671. According to several Canadian records his normal signature was “Louis Saucier”. He is referenced in this genealogy as Louis Saucier, as this was his usual signature and how he would normally sign any legal documents.
The following English translation by Walter J. Saucier (author of “Gabrielle's People"), is an translation of the original French language Marriage record from the Church of Notre Dame of Quebec for Louis Charles Saucie and Marguerite Gaillard and reads as follows:
“The 12th day of the month of January of the year 1671, I have issued the publication made of the bans of marriage of the 23 of December, the thirteenth day of the said month of January to Louis Saucie, son of Charles Saucie and of Charlotte Clairet, his father and mother, of the parish of Saint-Sulpice of the town of Paris on one part and Marguerite Gaillard, widow of the deceased François Provost living in St.-Michel of the parish of Notre Dame of the town of Boulogne of the other part. I Henri de Bernieres, curé of the parish Church of Notre Dame of Québec in the said church by order of the present laws, consecrate this marriage, by the witness René Louis, Louis la Haze, Hubert Simon, Thomas Langlois”.
Signed: H. DeBernieres
The marriage record shown above uses the early spelling of "Saucie" for Louis' surname and states that he is the son of Charles “Saucie” and Charlotte Clariet. The official "Genealogy of Canada" records, which contain names and data on many members of the Canadian Saucier family, lists him as just "Louis Saucier" with no middle name shown. The Canadian records do show his marriage to Marguerite Gaillard on January 12, 1671. The records only list his birth as "about 1634" and his death date is listed as November 19, 1677. It also shows their contract of marriage was drawn up on November 27, 1670 and that their marriage was performed in Quebec on January 12, 1671. The missing middle name, along with his full birth date not being shown in the Canadian Genealogy records are the only items of question in those records.
“The 12th day of the month of January of the year 1671, I have issued the publication made of the bans of marriage of the 23 of December, the thirteenth day of the said month of January to Louis Saucie, son of Charles Saucie and of Charlotte Clairet, his father and mother, of the parish of Saint-Sulpice of the town of Paris on one part and Marguerite Gaillard, widow of the deceased François Provost living in St.-Michel of the parish of Notre Dame of the town of Boulogne of the other part. I Henri de Bernieres, curé of the parish Church of Notre Dame of Québec in the said church by order of the present laws, consecrate this marriage, by the witness René Louis, Louis la Haze, Hubert Simon, Thomas Langlois”.
Signed: H. DeBernieres
The marriage record shown above uses the early spelling of "Saucie" for Louis' surname and states that he is the son of Charles “Saucie” and Charlotte Clariet. The official "Genealogy of Canada" records, which contain names and data on many members of the Canadian Saucier family, lists him as just "Louis Saucier" with no middle name shown. The Canadian records do show his marriage to Marguerite Gaillard on January 12, 1671. The records only list his birth as "about 1634" and his death date is listed as November 19, 1677. It also shows their contract of marriage was drawn up on November 27, 1670 and that their marriage was performed in Quebec on January 12, 1671. The missing middle name, along with his full birth date not being shown in the Canadian Genealogy records are the only items of question in those records.